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Hormonal Imbalances & Hair Thinning: What Every Woman Should Know | Faraz Khan
Hair thinning, gray hair, and hair loss don’t have to be inevitable! In this episode, we explore the science of hair health and dive into the root causes of these issues—hormonal imbalances, nutritional deficiencies, and stress. Learn how to restore your hair naturally using a proven system that promotes growth, prevents gray hair, and reverses thinning. Plus, we uncover the effectiveness of popular treatments like PRP, red light therapy, and micro-needling, and share what truly works to help you achieve vibrant, healthy hair.
🔹 What You'll Learn in This Episode:
The root causes of hair thinning and gray hair in women
How hormonal imbalances and stress accelerate hair loss—and what to do about it
The best nutrients, vitamins, and minerals for hair regrowth
A step-by-step system for reversing gray hair naturally
What works (and doesn’t) in hair restoration treatments like PRP and red light therapy
🔑 KEY TOPICS 🔑
Hormones & Hair Loss: How cortisol, estrogen, and thyroid affect your hair
Gray Hair Reversal: Natural ways to reduce hydrogen peroxide buildup
Nutrition for Hair Health: Key vitamins, minerals, and protein sources
Effective Hair Growth Treatments: PRP, microneedling, and red light therapy
The Ultimate Hair Restoration System: Proven steps to regrow and strengthen your hair
🕐 TIMESTAMPS 🕐
[00:00] Introduction & Common Hair Loss Treatments
[03:30] Hormonal Imbalances & Hair Loss Causes
[10:30] Early Signs of Hair Thinning & Genetic Factors
[17:00] Nutritional Deficiencies & Hair Growth Support
[23:30] Stress, Cortisol, and Their Impact on Hair Health
[31:30] Effective Hair Loss Treatments: PRP, Red Light & More
[42:00] The Science Behind Gray Hair & Reversing It
[50:00] How Hair Dyes & Chemicals Affect Hair Health
[57:00] Building a Complete Hair Restoration Routine
[62:00] Final Longevity & Anti-Aging Tips for Hair & Health
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🌐 LET'S CONNECT 🌐
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Transcript
All of Us have tried A1 supplement or A1 serum or A shampoo, for example, to stop hair loss, but it really you have to do a combination.
Speaker A:And when you do a combination of things, that's when everything works correctly.
Speaker A:So if you have something internal like a supplement, something external like a serum, a derma roller, a hairbrush to keep the circulation going, that combination really helps stop hair thinning and regrow hair, especially for women, even more so than men.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Optimized Woman, the podcast for high performing women ready to take back their health.
Speaker B:I'm Orshi McNaughton, a board certified holistic health practitioner and functional nutritionist.
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Speaker B:Welcome, friends.
Speaker B: gevity and health since since: Speaker B:In this episode, we are tackling one of the most frustrating topics for women, hair loss and gray hair.
Speaker B:We go into what causes hair loss, hair thinning, and natural ways to restore thickness.
Speaker B:We also discuss how hormonal imbalances, nutrient deficiencies, stress and aging really take a toll on our hair.
Speaker B:And the best strategies for reversing hair thinning and reversing the grain process.
Speaker B:You may don't know, but up until my mid-40s, I had dark brown hair.
Speaker B:But as the gray started coming in faster than I could keep up, I finally went blonde.
Speaker B:And funny enough, the first time for us and I met about four years ago, I told him that he really needed to develop a product to reverse gray hair because I needed it badly.
Speaker B:And now he's done it.
Speaker B:He just rolled out an amazing product for reversing gray hair and we'll dive into that during our conversation as well.
Speaker B:So now let's jump right in.
Speaker B:I know you're going to learn so much from this conversation.
Speaker A:So my journey started when I was 19.
Speaker A:I was in college and I was a soccer athlete.
Speaker A:You know, we were winning championships at that time, and I thought I was pretty cool and I was pretty confident.
Speaker A:And one day I was shampooing my hair and I looked out at my hands and they're full of my beautiful hair.
Speaker A:And I go, no, no, no, please no.
Speaker A:And so it was this freak out moment.
Speaker A:My stress levels went from a 4 to an 11 in the same.
Speaker A:In the same day.
Speaker A:And I was like, I started looking around like, where did this come from?
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:Why is this happening to me?
Speaker A:This is so unfair.
Speaker A:This is so unfair.
Speaker A:Please stop.
Speaker A:And so I started looking at my family history, and I realized that my mom's side had hair loss in the family genetically.
Speaker A:All three of my uncles were bald, and my mom was even complaining of hair thinning.
Speaker A:And so I said, mom, thank you for giving me this gift.
Speaker A:And I was not calling it a gift back then.
Speaker A:It was just this trial by fire.
Speaker A:And so I tried a lot of things, or she had tried the biotin supplements, I tried ayurvedic oils, I tried putting yogurt, I tried egg yolks, I tried supplements, I tried shampoos and conditioners, and nothing really stopped my hair loss.
Speaker A:Some of these things did slow it down.
Speaker A:So that helped, but it kept continuing.
Speaker A:At the age of 25, I remember vividly going to a hair transplant surgeon in Denver, Colorado, saying, hey, just put me out of my misery.
Speaker A:I can't take this anymore because I wake up every morning and there's 50 hairs on the pillow.
Speaker A:And when I go, I don't want to wash my hair anymore because when I do, I see so much hair fall out.
Speaker A:I can't take this anymore.
Speaker A:It's just taking a toll on my mental wellness.
Speaker A:She looked at my hair and she goes, well, you're not a candidate yet.
Speaker A:You're not a candidate because you haven't lost a lot of hair in any one area.
Speaker A:So here's what I do have for you, though.
Speaker A:You can take this pharmaceutical that will slow down your hair loss, maybe stop it.
Speaker A:And it's got some side effects, though.
Speaker A:And so she told me about the sexual side effects with sperm motility, inability to maintain an erection.
Speaker A:And I go, that doesn't sound good.
Speaker A:So I left.
Speaker A:But a week later, after a lot more hairs, I. I said, I'll take the pharmaceutical for a little while.
Speaker A:And so I took that for a few years, but I always wanted to get off it.
Speaker A:And so when I got into longevity and anti aging and started a podcast, I said, I do have access to experts now.
Speaker A:Could I Find a way, is there a way to do this?
Speaker A:And also to help my mom naturally, because I don't want her taking any drugs.
Speaker A: So I traveled to Thailand in: Speaker A:So I went there, met all the hair transplant doctors, all the surgeons, all the stem cell practitioners.
Speaker A:And then when I came back to the States to la, I flew to all of their offices, I interviewed them one by one and spent hours with them, even behind the camera.
Speaker A:Just they took me back to where the transplants were happening.
Speaker A:They were doing PRPs and injecting.
Speaker A:I think they were just starting to inject exosomes at that time.
Speaker A:So I learned a lot firsthand from these doctors on what was and what was not working.
Speaker A:And so after that came and read 300 scientific papers or so and I, I had a big realization at that time that all of Us have tried A1 supplement or A1 serum or A shampoo for example to stop hair loss.
Speaker A:But really you have to do a combination.
Speaker A:And when you do a combination of things, that's when everything works correctly.
Speaker A:So if you have something internal like a supplement, something external like a serum, a derma roller or a hairbrush to keep the circulation going, that combination really helps stop hair thinning and regrow hair, especially for women, even more so than men.
Speaker A:So that's how fully vinyl came to be.
Speaker A:And again, I've been doing this for a while and now I'm pretty much an expert on hair.
Speaker B:It's funny how our own sort of pain points and journey takes us to having a purpose and eventually for you developing these amazing products.
Speaker B:So you started hair loss really young and we're gonna focus on women in a minute.
Speaker B:But I know for men it, it's common really young men start losing their hair, especially when they are just a lot of testosterone flowing around in their body and they have that DHT sort of offereductive conversion pathway which can be a problem for women too.
Speaker B:But I know that it can start in a really young age for some men and then it can also be more like a middle age issue as well.
Speaker B:Can you just really briefly start with men and then we'll focus the entire show on women or just the difference between younger men losing their hair like you were versus men starting to have some hair thinning, hair loss in middle age.
Speaker A:Great question.
Speaker A:So young men typically see very aggressive hair loss and as you said rightfully, this is because of after puberty they start making a lot of testosterone.
Speaker A:The testosterone converts into something called dihydrotestosterone or dht.
Speaker A:DHT then travels to the follicles and starts to shrink or starts to starve the hair follicles of blood and other nutrient supplies.
Speaker A:And so hair follicles over time start to shrink, and they keep shrinking.
Speaker A:It takes years, actually, this shrinking process, but they keep shrinking and they keep shrinking, and every time a new hair grows out, it's smaller and thinner and wispier than the last time.
Speaker A:And the shrinking continues until the hair is so tiny that it can't, doesn't even break through and it just becomes dormant.
Speaker A:And after being dormant for a little while, it stops producing anything.
Speaker A:So that's key, that high levels of testosterone cause high levels of dht, and the DHT goes and impacts the hair follicle.
Speaker A:So that is why it's so aggressive in young men, because testosterone levels are through the roof.
Speaker A:But as men age and they get into their 30s, 40s, 50s, hair loss is progressively slower because the hormones aren't at the peak anymore.
Speaker A:So when you notice older men having hair loss, that starts in their 30s or 40s.
Speaker A:And there's many things that can kick off the hair loss, but once it starts, it's very gradual.
Speaker A:So you'll see a lot of men in their 50s, 50s that just have a small patch of baldness on the back and the rest of the hair seems fine.
Speaker A:But that will not happen to a man that's in their 20s that aggressively.
Speaker A:They will lose it all.
Speaker A:So that's the big difference is when it, when it starts later, it's very slow, it's very gradual, and you're able to use many different ways to stop it.
Speaker A:When it's with young men, then you have to have more aggressive treats.
Speaker B:Let me ask you, how much hair did you lose?
Speaker B:And then when do you start in this process of regrowing your hair?
Speaker B:So I'm just curious, how much did you lose and then how much came back?
Speaker A:Very good question as well.
Speaker A:A lot of people ask, how far back can I go?
Speaker A:And these are both related.
Speaker A:So I lost about 30% of my hair, I believe, in the front and the top.
Speaker A:So much so that we lived in an apartment building.
Speaker A:And when I would walk down and try and go walk on the street, my roommates would call me baldy from up top because they could see the top of my scalp.
Speaker A:So it was significant loss.
Speaker A:So that was gone a few years.
Speaker A:Of course, I was trying to keep doing things to rejuvenate the follicles, to bring it back this whole time.
Speaker A:But when I started the pharmaceuticals and I did a lot more things, I was able to, over time, start to grow back.
Speaker A:Did it go back to 100?
Speaker A:No way.
Speaker A:I think that I grew back 15, 20% of that.
Speaker A:Hairs that were gone.
Speaker A:And of course, with aging, you start to lose a bit more unrelated to just hormones.
Speaker A:So I got back a lot of my hair before.
Speaker A:I used to feel that I'm going to lose it all at some point.
Speaker A:It's going to be gone now.
Speaker A:I don't feel that I'm like, okay, cool, I'm going to have a full head of hair for a long time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And for those of you that are watching the video version of this, for us, have beautiful, dark, full head of hair.
Speaker B:So he's clearly doing something really, really right.
Speaker B:Let's switch to talking about women.
Speaker B:The clients that I work with, a lot of them are in that perimenopause menopause age group, and they deal with a lot of hormonal imbalances.
Speaker B:And these are just what I see.
Speaker B:And then I want you to speak to all these different hormone imbalances for women that can cause hair cause.
Speaker B:But obviously I see the testosterone issue that we have for men too.
Speaker B:So especially with women with pcos or just women that naturally have higher androgen levels or just their estrogen progesterone versus testosterone levels are out of balance in their body.
Speaker B:And then we also start seeing that as women are aging, they start losing some progesterone.
Speaker B:And then as they go into menopause, estrogen.
Speaker B:And as, as I see these hormonal shifts, women can have hormonal imbalances related sort of hair thinning, hair loss.
Speaker B:And then on top of that, a lot of women get on hormone replacement therapy and sometimes they jump on testosterone before they would do estrogen progesterone.
Speaker B:So they don't have their estrogen progesterone in the right place.
Speaker B:But then they, they bring up their testosterone levels, which would be a natural hormone level if your estrogen progesterone was right.
Speaker B:But compared to the other hormones, they are proportionately not in the right range.
Speaker B:So they start having those androgenic hair loss issues that you mentioned.
Speaker B:And then on top of that, women also have thyroid issues, a lot of hypothyroidism.
Speaker B:So I see hair loss because of that insulin resistance, which again, leads to pcos.
Speaker B:And then I also see a lot of issues with high cortisone levels, just really high, high levels of stress for women.
Speaker B:And all these create various types of Hormonal imbalances.
Speaker B:So can you speak to different variations of that?
Speaker B:And, and then of course, when this happens at the same time in perimenopause and menopause, they have stress, they have all these different things hitting at the same time.
Speaker B:It's hard to figure out, is it your thyroid, is it your estrogen deficiency, is it your stress?
Speaker B:Like what's causing your hair loss?
Speaker A:What a great question.
Speaker A:Or she.
Speaker A:And you nailed everything that can contribute to changes for women especially.
Speaker A:And so the number one thing I have learned in this process is that for women at least, hair loss is multifactorial.
Speaker A:There's multiple things causing your hair loss at the same time.
Speaker A:For the majority of women, like you mentioned, the number one reason for hair thinning in women, just like in men, is hormonal changes related to the testosterone estrogen progesterone axis.
Speaker A:And as you rightfully pointed out, that happens with PCOS at an early age, in their 20s and 30s, even in your teens.
Speaker A:But naturally, as women's hormones start to change after the age of 35 and estrogen progesterone levels start to drop, that leads to a relative imbalance with testosterone.
Speaker A:That relative imbalance then converts, or the testosterone converts to dht, that goes and starts shrinking the hair follicles and you start losing your hair.
Speaker A:Women have asked me, how do I know if it's hormonal hair loss?
Speaker A:One simple thing you can do is next time you're taking a shower, just grab all the hairs you have in your hands because we lose 10, 20, 50, 100 hairs a day.
Speaker A:And so when you're shampooing or lathering, you'll see a bunch of hairs in your hand.
Speaker A:Just stick them on the tile.
Speaker A:If you have white tile or if you have a shower curtain, just stick them on there and just look at them.
Speaker A:And if you notice that some hairs are thinner than others, because hormonal hair loss only impacts the front and the top of your scalp, it doesn't unpack the sides, it does not impact the back.
Speaker A:This is the 100 million dollar question why this happens.
Speaker A:But we can use this to figure out what type hair loss you have.
Speaker A:And eight times out of 10, or maybe seven times out of 10, is going to be primarily hormonal.
Speaker A:So you'll see a difference in the thickness of your hair strands and just leave them there because when your hair is wet, it's thicker naturally.
Speaker A:But leave them there and look at them two or three times and repeat this experiment three or four times.
Speaker A:I guess over a Couple of weeks and you get a good sense to see if you have hormonal imbalances causing hair loss.
Speaker A:Also, what is a good telltale sign is that you are either you have PCOS like you said, or you're over the age of 40 where these hormone changes start to happen, or you're getting into menopause, which is more aggressive at that time, the changes.
Speaker A:And so these are all telltale signs of that you might be having hormonal dysfunction or hormonal changes, I should say, which can kick off hair loss.
Speaker A:And what's interesting is that a lot of triggers can kick off hair loss and doesn't have to be that the hormones change and kick it off.
Speaker A:It could be high cholesterol levels, it could be high stress levels, it could be changing thyroid.
Speaker A:And we can address thyroid and high stress levels next if you want.
Speaker A:But just remember this, the number one reason for hair loss in women is primarily hormones.
Speaker A:So you have to get that under control at some point.
Speaker A:And if you are taking hormones, external hormones, testosterone should be the last one until you have balanced estrogen, progesterone, good, those in good levels and maybe also take baby steps with testosterone, not just jump right in.
Speaker B:I 100 wanna reiterate that.
Speaker B:So everybody's hearing this, that there's so many women doing HRT in some way, but their hormones are really not dialed in or they are not optimized.
Speaker B:And a lot of the standard of care, sometimes they put women on estrogen, but they are in such a tiny dose or just enough maybe not to have hot flashes and maybe it takes away some of your symptoms, but it's really not in the optimal range.
Speaker B:There's a big difference because a lot of women, by the time they come to me, they say, well, I'm already on hormone replacement therapy.
Speaker B:Let's check that off the list.
Speaker B:But that is usually one of the things we have to start like is that let's do lab testing and then let's see what other symptoms you have.
Speaker B:Because it's not just the hot flashes and the night sweats and all that.
Speaker B:There's so many other signs of hormonal imbalances too, like the hair, that people may not attribute that to, let's just say estrogen deficiency or, or just an imbalance overall between the hormones.
Speaker B:And then as you said, at the same time, a lot of women, as they're heading into perimenopause menopause, start having hypothyroidism, which is really common to happen at the same time.
Speaker B:So let's dive into that topic right now.
Speaker B:How do you identify?
Speaker B:I know one of the signs is when people's eyebrows, the outer end of their eyebrows are missing.
Speaker B:That's highly correlated with hypothyroidism.
Speaker B:Is there any other like physical signs that you can see that it's, it's a thyroid related hair loss?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So before I get into thyroid, I want to say something that I forgot.
Speaker A:The only hair loss that causes permanent hair loss is hormonal.
Speaker A:Everything else that we're going to talk about after this, thyroid stress, nutrient deficiencies, medications, all of that is not going to be permanent.
Speaker A:So if you fix the underlying cause, the hair will grow back naturally.
Speaker A:But with hormonal changes, you have to be very careful because once the follicle becomes dormant, stops producing as dormant for a few years, it may never wake up again.
Speaker A:Now coming back to thyroid.
Speaker A:There's obviously two types of thyroidism, which is the hypothyroidism, which is low thyroid levels or low thyroid activity, and there's the hyper, which is higher than normal thyroid activity.
Speaker A:Both of these cause hair loss, but what's most common is hypo.
Speaker A:So if you're, if your thyroid is under functioning, this is about probably 90% of all cases that doctors see with the thyroid.
Speaker A:And what happens is that your thyroid is just not producing.
Speaker A:It's the energy center is the metabolism of your body, so it's producing energy.
Speaker A:And hair requires a lot of energy, a lot of energy.
Speaker A:If I believe we did the math last year, but if you had just one strand of hair from your scalp growing, it would grow to 200 yards every day.
Speaker A:There's so much division and mitosis going on in the hair.
Speaker A:Follicles is just an organ, so it needs a lot of energy, number one.
Speaker A:Number two, the way to figure out if you have hypothyroidism is like you said or she.
Speaker A:You start to miss some hairs in your eyebrows, but also you start to get colder during the day.
Speaker A:You just feel cold for no reason.
Speaker A:You also, when you sit down, you feel sluggish.
Speaker A:You don't feel energetic.
Speaker A:You just want to relax.
Speaker A:You're not feeling like going for a walk anymore.
Speaker A:You don't want to crush that workout anymore.
Speaker A:You are starting to have constipation more so and so these are all signs that your, your thyroid production is slowing down.
Speaker A:And so this might be something you could do, work with your practitioner to get these thyroid levels back on track.
Speaker A:This is very common.
Speaker A:Again, like with aging, every, all functions start to reduce over time.
Speaker A:And so if you're over the age of 40, it's maybe a good exercise to work with a thyroid specialist to make sure your thyroid levels are back to normal along with all the other hormones.
Speaker A:So we have to take this and with the whole body system in, in play.
Speaker A:So that's hypothyroidism.
Speaker A:Again, the, the one test that we recommend for women that come to us with hair loss is there's actually two tests.
Speaker A:One of them is the full thyroid panel with antibodies, because this is the test that tells you exactly what's happening with all the thyroid hormones and the antibodies which could be actually affecting and attacking your own thyroid hormones.
Speaker A:So T3, RT3, T4, all of these will give you a very good indication over just the thyroid stimulating hormone, or tsh.
Speaker A:So that's what we recommend.
Speaker A:And this will also catch if you have hypo or hyperparathyroidism, which again means you have a lot more energy, you are sweating, you are just feeling jittery.
Speaker A:You're also experiencing hair loss.
Speaker A:So that's again less common.
Speaker A:But it's, it happens to some women.
Speaker A:So both of those cases cause hair loss.
Speaker A:And it's very important at some point, if you turn 40 to just get a full thyroid panel test and repeat that every couple years at least.
Speaker B:Yeah, you shouldn't just be text testing your sex hormones, but we should have a full thyroid panel, especially if you're in perimenopause, menopause, Everything you just described, including the antibiotics, because almost everyone has Hashimoto's too, who's women.
Speaker B:So we are in that, Camden, that needs to be addressed.
Speaker B:But I was just curious if there's any other signs that you can actually see on your hair that it's thyroid related besides the eyebrow?
Speaker B:Like, is there a certain type of thinning that is more likely related to thyroid function?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I don't know if this is related, but like, a lot of women lose hair, like right here on their temple, like on the two sides, and it starts like thinning out.
Speaker B:Is that generally hormonal hair loss or is that, can we narrow down, like, what it's related to?
Speaker A:So unfortunately, the only telltale sign with hair loss that you get is with hormonal hair loss, because that only happens in the front temples and your crown.
Speaker A:That's the only hair loss that affects hair in a particular region.
Speaker A:All the other types of hair loss that we discuss, including thyroid, are going to disproportionately affect all areas or proportionally affect all areas of your scalp.
Speaker A:So Sides, back.
Speaker A:And that is one other way that people look at, or doctors or experts look at hair loss to diagnose it, if it's hormonal or not, is they look at the back.
Speaker A:Do you have thicker hair on the back than you have at the top?
Speaker A:Then it's hormonal.
Speaker A:But if you're losing hair on the back, the sides, the front, then it could be everything else, including thyroid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is, I'm assuming most often the number one thing is the, the hair loss on the top because I don't see too many women having thinner hairs on the back and the side.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's pretty, pretty rare.
Speaker A:At least it's not that common.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Unless you're elderly.
Speaker B:I see that in elderly women over 70, 80.
Speaker B:I would love to just shift gears and talk a little bit about nutritional deficiencies and imbalancing also affecting hair loss.
Speaker B:I know one of the issues that I see, a lot of people think they have iron deficiency, which I like to rephrase as more as a copper iron metabolism dysregulation, in my opinion, than just iron deficiency.
Speaker B:But I know that how effectively the body can utilize and transport iron for oxygen delivery can really affect the tissue.
Speaker B:And I think this issue is commonly linked to estrogen dominance for a lot of women, which can disrupt and increase copper retention, leading to an imbalance that affects the proper iron utilization in the body.
Speaker B:And so that can show up on the lab as iron deficiency for a lot of women.
Speaker B:What's your experience with that and how often do you see that?
Speaker A:The second test that we recommend for women is the full iron panel that includes tibc and ferritin as well.
Speaker A:So that's what we want to see and we want to make sure those are in the right levels.
Speaker A:What's interesting with iron is that it's very important because it creates hemoglobin.
Speaker A:And hemoglobin is the protein that is responsible for creating red blood cells and transporting the red blood cells into all areas of your body.
Speaker A:So ultimately, if you don't have enough iron, you're not going to have enough red blood cells, you're not going to have enough blood flow that's not going to go to your scalp, it's not going to carry the nutrients and vitamins and minerals that your hair needs, because again, it's a very high producing, high dividing organ and so there's a lot of activity.
Speaker A:So it needs the red blood cells and it needs iron.
Speaker A:So iron is very important.
Speaker A:Now, interestingly, both low levels of iron and high levels of iron will cause hair loss according to the medical science and literature.
Speaker A:So you want to be careful, you don't want to have too low and you don't want to have too high.
Speaker A:For women that are in the reproductive age, they will lose a little bit of blood every month and they will lose iron as well.
Speaker A:So it's important that you supplement iron or under the guidance of a doctor so you don't go too high when you're reproductive age.
Speaker A:But also on the flip side, when you stop, when you get into menopause and you don't have the menstruation anymore, then you have to be careful with having too much iron because then you could possibly have an iron overload.
Speaker A:So these are the two aspects that we kind of pay attention to.
Speaker A:We've got a little bit of iron in our supplement, but not that much.
Speaker A:There's other supplements that have 25 milligrams of iron and that taking that every day, to me, unless you're absolutely deficient, seems like a lot.
Speaker A:And so again, this is one thing you want to be careful of with iron and like you said, of course, other ramifications with other minerals that it has to balance with, including copper.
Speaker A:So when you are doing a test and if you are undergoing hair loss, then there's a recommended test that I would, I would say get all your normal levels tested and I'm going to list out five more additional levels that you should absolutely get test tested.
Speaker A:And also make sure you have the zinc and copper in the right format as well because those can counterbalance each other.
Speaker B:I definitely recommend people that see their, on their blood tests, the low ferritin or low iron levels, to really have a good understanding of how to balance the different cofactors to get the copper iron metabolism in the right place.
Speaker B:Because I, I have a huge interview with Morley Robbins.
Speaker B:I'm not sure if you interviewed him.
Speaker B:I really recommend you talking to him about this because people have a lot of iron stored in their tissues, but they're just, they bioavailable, they're not properly utilizing it.
Speaker B:So you can actually do a lot of harm with iron supplementation if, if it's not the right thing for you specifically.
Speaker B:So, so it's really important that the other co factors are also in place.
Speaker B:So let's talk about some of the other things.
Speaker B:Like I know vitamin D deficiency, we talked about zinc and copper.
Speaker B:They can both be an issue of having too little, too much biotin.
Speaker B:The other thing that I specifically see is just not eating enough protein.
Speaker B:Just women undernourish themselves and don't eat an adequate amount of protein in their diet, especially animal proteins.
Speaker B:And that can be an issue by itself for hair thinning and hair loss.
Speaker B:Is there any other, I guess a lot of B vitamins, folate, what else?
Speaker B:Maybe selenium.
Speaker B:What are the other nutrients that could be an issue for hair?
Speaker A:The biggest ones are what I call the big five.
Speaker A:These ones you have to have.
Speaker A:The other ones you have a little bit of slack on, but these ones you have to have in the right ranges.
Speaker A:And these are folate, These are vitamin B12, this is vitamin D3, this is iron, and this is zinc.
Speaker A:All five of these you have to have in enough quantities otherwise you will most likely experience hair thinning or hair loss.
Speaker A:So these are the big five.
Speaker A:Now, you also have to be careful with some additional ones like vitamin A and selenium, because having too much vitamin A will cause hair loss.
Speaker A:Having too much selenium will cause hair loss.
Speaker A:There's popular supplements on the market that are overloading you with selenium.
Speaker A:So you have to be very careful with this mineral.
Speaker A:It's not something that you just take a lot of every single day.
Speaker A:And so those are the considerations that we have.
Speaker A:So when you are getting tested, make sure you include at least five of these in or seven of these in your test.
Speaker A:And also include copper as well to make sure you don't have too much or too little copper in there.
Speaker A:So with that being said, the next point you wanted to talk about is the protein.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Protein is very important.
Speaker A:Hair is made up of keratin, which is a protein.
Speaker A:It's a rigid protein.
Speaker A:But again, thinking about how much hair is being produced every single day from your body, you need protein because it's made of protein.
Speaker A:And so I highly recommend if women can drink collagen every single day, because that gives you the natural amino acids that you need from an overall body organ and aging standpoint.
Speaker A:But also in addition to that, have additional protein.
Speaker A:I think the current recommendation by a lot of longevity experts is between 0.5 to 1 gram per pound of body weight and probably closer to the 1 gram per pound of body weight.
Speaker A:So think about how that applies to you and how you can start to incorporate more protein.
Speaker A:I've heard numerous stories from women that have started taking collagen and more protein in their diets, and the hair quality improved.
Speaker A:It's not necessarily going to affect hair thinning or hair loss that much, but the hair quality is going to improve.
Speaker B:I so agree with that.
Speaker B:It's something that I constantly have to work with every single person.
Speaker B:I, I have to just harp on the protein because even when people intentionally try to eat enough, they still don't eat enough protein.
Speaker B:Especially women, they tend to under eat.
Speaker B:You mentioned the different vitamins and minerals.
Speaker B:Is there any specific testing you recommend?
Speaker B:So one of the testing I do is I actually do a hair test that's called a hair tissue mineral analys.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is that something that you use or do you have a specific testing that you recommend for people?
Speaker A:So that can be helpful for sure.
Speaker A:Because in the hair you get a history of the last two to three months of the mineral status.
Speaker A:I've done that multiple times.
Speaker A:Sometimes we recommend that to our clients as well.
Speaker A:Other times a blood test to get current levels of each of these minerals might be okay, or vitamins might be okay.
Speaker A:But you have to know that you're not what you eat.
Speaker A:If you overdosed on biotin today or folate today, then it might not be what you do every single day.
Speaker A:So hair mineral analysis is good overall when you get it in addition to your testing.
Speaker A:So we ask them to get all of the vitamins tested through blood when they're going to their practitioner and then as they can get a hair mineral analysis test done.
Speaker A:We don't work a lot one to one with women.
Speaker A:We send these recommendations and emails and whatnot.
Speaker A:So we're not kind of following up to see what they're doing because that would require more extensive working with them.
Speaker A:And we don't have that as a service at the moment.
Speaker B:So I would love to just mention Covid hair loss because I know a lot of people, people had issues with that.
Speaker B:I'm one of the lucky ones.
Speaker B:I've never had Covid, so I had that experience.
Speaker B:But I think any big stress or virus can trigger hair loss in the body.
Speaker B:Can you speak to what happens to people that maybe have long Covid or just had Covid and still recovering from the side effects?
Speaker A:That's a great question as well.
Speaker A:So there's two different aspects to this.
Speaker A:There is acute stress on the body.
Speaker A:That's high level stress.
Speaker A:And this could take any form.
Speaker A:This could be an infection like Covid.
Speaker A:This could be a divorce, a breakup with a loved one, a loss of a family member.
Speaker A:This could be a surgery that you're undergoing, a major surgery.
Speaker A:This could be a move to a different city.
Speaker A:So anything that's physiological or physical that affects you in a profound way, your body goes, oh my goodness, we're about to die.
Speaker A:And so I have to conserve all of my resources, all the core things that I have towards the core organs.
Speaker A:So all the vitamins, minerals, everything you need to survive gets pulled in to protect the core organs, brain, eyes, and then the core organs in your midsection, basically.
Speaker A:So the body looks at the hair and goes, are you expendable for me to survive?
Speaker A:Absolutely expendable.
Speaker A:I don't care if you're around or not.
Speaker A:I will live.
Speaker A:I must live.
Speaker A:And so it pulls a lot of resource away from hair.
Speaker A:And so what happens to hair is that the hair, after it gets starved of the resource of these resources, it goes into the shedding phase.
Speaker A:So it transitions from the growth phase into the resting and then the shedding phase.
Speaker A:So a lot of your hair at one time is going to go from growth to shedding.
Speaker A:Some people say 30, 40, 50% of your hair could shed at one time, which is very traumatic, especially for women to have fistfuls of hair falling out in your hand every single day.
Speaker A:In fact, we have a biohacker in Austin that you might know.
Speaker A:Good friend of mine, she called me up and she said, hey, I got Covid.
Speaker A:I went to the biohacking conference, got Covid, thought nothing of it.
Speaker A:But two months later, my hair's falling out, I'm gonna lose it all.
Speaker A:I'll have to get a wig big, and I'm gonna go bald.
Speaker A:And so we met for lunch, and I said, hey, how's it going?
Speaker A:And she's just bawling, she's crying.
Speaker A:She can't even answer my question because of how much trauma she's undergoing because of this hair loss.
Speaker A:But the key is then you have to give it a lot, put a lot of things in place, which is how we created our system, is you attack the problem from three to four different ways, and you get everything shored up in your body so that your body has everything it needs to start growing that hairs again.
Speaker A:Because what happens is, is every time you go through a shed, if there's any underlying condition, your hair might not grow back because it's preventing the growth.
Speaker A:So if you lose 50% of your hair and you don't grow back 20% of those, you're going to see a significant loss, and you'll feel not happy about yourself.
Speaker A:And so what we want to do is to make sure we give everything.
Speaker A:We cover it internally, externally, with micro needling and hair brushing, circulation to give you everything you need to get the hair back to where it was.
Speaker A:We don't want to lose even one hair to Any process, as you mentioned.
Speaker B:Earlier, if it's not hormonal, then it can still grow back?
Speaker B:For the most part, yes.
Speaker A:As long as the underlying condition is addressed, yes.
Speaker A:After the age of 40 you almost, almost have hormonal just sitting there.
Speaker A:And then when you add stress related hair loss, or you add a Covid, a big stressor, or you add medications, or you add nutritional deficiencies.
Speaker A:Now they're both working in tandem.
Speaker A:And when you lose half your hair, then one or two of these conditions is probably going to prevent the regrowth growth.
Speaker A:So you have to be very careful to make sure to address more than one condition, especially if you doubt that one of more than one of them can be in play.
Speaker A:One other thing that I forgot to mention is the ongoing stress.
Speaker A:So this is not chronic, this is not acute.
Speaker A:This is chronic.
Speaker A:This is not acute, but just ongoing high levels of stress will cause ongoing chronic levels of shedding.
Speaker A:Every single day you're going to lose hairs and there's no other reason.
Speaker A:It's not thinner, it's not hormones, but you're just losing your hair every single day.
Speaker A:And so once you address the stress levels, then that shedding will stop and these hairs will grow back.
Speaker B:Can you just briefly talk about other modalities like red light, Right, that you use on your head?
Speaker B:Yes, therapy.
Speaker B:And then I know there's also PRP and is there any other ways to improve the hair growth?
Speaker A:Yeah, so I can talk about all of these.
Speaker A:Great question as well.
Speaker A:So I'm a fan of red light therapy.
Speaker A:I use it every single day on my face, sometimes on my scalp.
Speaker A:I call it a hair growth promoter because it enables to see cytochrome C oxidase.
Speaker A:I believe that's the name of the element in the mitochondria that helps you create more energy.
Speaker A:And when you have more energy, your cells can do the job they're supposed to do, which is in this case to grow hair.
Speaker A:But I call it a hair growth promoter because it does nothing to address the underlying root causes of your hair thinning.
Speaker A:So what I would recommend is to use red light therapy, not by itself, but in coordination, in combination with other things that you're doing to address root causes.
Speaker A:Root causes come first and then you can use the tools and biohacks to improve the outcomes.
Speaker A:So that's number one, it is helpful.
Speaker A:There is two wavelengths of light that are beneficial to the human body and all of these red light gaps or red light helmets are attuned to the, to the frequencies that will help.
Speaker A:So there's no harm in that.
Speaker A:I just have a problem with you paying a thousand dollars or more to get a helmet.
Speaker A:And in nine out of 10 cases within two months that's going to be sitting in a closet never to be used again.
Speaker A:That's just how these things work.
Speaker A:Unless you're ADHD and you're on top of it and OCD and you're going to do it, more power to you.
Speaker A:But if you're like most people, you're not going to use it for long.
Speaker A:Brand that I recommend for that is to go on Alibaba and get a cheap one, get it for 150, 250 max.
Speaker A:Don't spend a thousand, $2,000.
Speaker A:You're not going to get the ROI.
Speaker B:No matter like how powerful the red light is, as long as you do.
Speaker A:It on your scalp is not really not.
Speaker A:It's all marketing.
Speaker A:Oh, there's 280 diodes versus 350 diodes.
Speaker A:What is much more important to me is consistency because consistency is going to get you results even with a smaller level.
Speaker B:You would use it daily, like once a day, twice a day.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Some laser companies or some red light Companies say use six minutes a day.
Speaker A:Some say use 10 minutes a day.
Speaker A:Some say use every other day for 10 or 12 minutes.
Speaker A:So it really depends on what you get.
Speaker A:But if you use it every day for six minutes, you're not going to go wrong long.
Speaker A:That's fine because we use red light on our faces and our bodies for six, 10 minutes.
Speaker A:So that's fine.
Speaker B:If you can just really briefly talk about it.
Speaker B:Is that prp?
Speaker B:And then do you also use exosomes as like a newer therapy now?
Speaker A:Exosomes is the newer therapy.
Speaker A:So PRP has been very popular.
Speaker A:It got popularized with orthopedic medicine when you had bone injuries or ligament injuries.
Speaker A:What they basically do is they pull some of your blood out.
Speaker A:They use a centrifuge to spin it really, really fast so your platelets separate from your blood cells and your plasma and they take the platelets and inject it back into any injured.
Speaker A:That will heal and create the regeneration process.
Speaker A:So they started doing this on the scalp to help improve outcomes of hair loss.
Speaker A:Looking at the scientific literature, it's very mixed.
Speaker A:PRP has very, very mixed results.
Speaker A:And just doing PRP by itself, I don't believe is going to give you what you're looking for.
Speaker A:So a lot of practitioners to be careful, ladies, if you're going to your doctor and they don't know what to do by Your hair loss.
Speaker A:And they say, let's try three sessions of PRP and it's going to cost you $1,000 per session fashion.
Speaker A:And that's all they're doing is your blood PRP alone.
Speaker A:It's like a puff in the wind.
Speaker A:It's going to be gone very, very quickly.
Speaker A:So you're not going to see the results you're hoping.
Speaker A:And you'll spend $3,000 or more in some cities.
Speaker A:What I would recommend is if your doctor is using a good centrifuge machine, which is hard to know which one, they're using, especially if you're new to this, and two, if they're adding additional factors to the prp, like a biod, which is the scaffold that helps you hold on, that helps the growth factors to stay in your scalp for much longer.
Speaker A:So biod scaffold.
Speaker A:There used to be an older scaffold called Acell.
Speaker A:If your doctor is using any of those, you know they're getting better outcomes than the average doctor that's buying a PRP machine from any beautician or any beauty supply store and then trying to do PRP on you.
Speaker A:So that's one way to tell.
Speaker A:But in general, I am not so optimistic on PRP as something that's going to fix your hair loss long term, because here's what happens.
Speaker A:Even if you do get good results, and sometimes you might get good results, your hair will get thicker for about six months and then it's back to the same thing.
Speaker A:So you have to keep repeating the PRP over and over again.
Speaker A:So it's not really addressing the root cause.
Speaker A:It's helping your body heal locally, which is fine for a short period.
Speaker A:But we want to do both.
Speaker A:We want to address it the root causes and then get additional benefits from other modalities.
Speaker A:And I'll address the other thing, exosomes, which is the newer regenerative medicine.
Speaker A:So stem cells don't really work.
Speaker A:Work for hair.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker A:They've tried stem cell injections.
Speaker A:They haven't had the results and they're also very expensive.
Speaker A:So I don't recommend stem cells PRP unless your doctor really knows what they're doing, unless they've got really fantastic results and they can promise you that they're not going to do it once every month.
Speaker A:They'll do it once every six months.
Speaker A:Maybe then you know that you're onto something.
Speaker A:From an exosome standpoint, those seem to be more promising compared to prp.
Speaker A:Again, early data yet I would pick exosomes over PRP if the costs were equal to.
Speaker A:The costs, however, are not equal.
Speaker A:Exosomes are 3 to 5x more expensive than PRP.
Speaker A:That's something for you to consider, but typically the results from exosomes will be better.
Speaker A:Now, I have got an exosomes on my scalp myself in Dubai last year and did I see amazing results?
Speaker A:I did not.
Speaker A:I didn't see very much results at all.
Speaker A:So I can't say that all exosomes are treated equal or all exosomes will get you results.
Speaker A:So it's a little bit of a.
Speaker B:Crapshoot, unfortunately, and it's such a high cost.
Speaker B:So I, I definitely agree with what you're saying.
Speaker B:Use some system like yours that address the underlying issues, hormone imbalances, nutritional deficiencies, all the things we just mentioned.
Speaker B:But I was just thinking maybe as a hair restoration, if you're already addressing it may be helpful to do the exercises.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Like thinned out.
Speaker B:And you're trying to just address a certain area that may be helpful for that.
Speaker A:But absolutely.
Speaker B:I guess for women, as you said, it's more the hormonal issues that we have to start with.
Speaker B:Can you briefly just talk about your system specifically for hair thinning?
Speaker B:And I would want to jump into the, the gray hair and how we address that.
Speaker B:First of all, is that two different systems that you have or are they doing both at the same time?
Speaker A:No, they're two different systems because the path.
Speaker A:So what we do is we focus on the pathways that are causing hair loss.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So the pathways that cause hair thinning are different from the pathways that cause gray hairs, unfortunately.
Speaker A:And so we've had to create two different systems.
Speaker A:And what we have in the hair growth system that we have is we've got a supplement that addresses is five root, six root causes of, of thinning.
Speaker A:What are the six root causes?
Speaker A:Like we mentioned hormones, nutrient deficiencies, stress levels, inflammation levels, gut health and circulation.
Speaker A:So all six of these are addressed by the supplement very effectively because we want to go after as many root causes as possible because typically for women there's multiple that are happening at the same time.
Speaker A:So that's the supplement that you take once a day, twice a day.
Speaker A:And then we've got a serum that you apply topically to the skin scalp.
Speaker A:The serum also addresses five similar root causes of hair thinning, including hormone balance of the scalp, including circulation, including oxidative stress levels and inflammation levels.
Speaker A:So we, we try to address both of these in different ways on the scalp, but also within your body.
Speaker A:So that's the supplement serum combination.
Speaker A:And then we've added a derma roller to it.
Speaker A:Because a derma roller has shown in independent studies by itself, nothing else added to regrow 15% more hair, which seems fantastic.
Speaker A:So why not add that and a derma roller?
Speaker A:When you add that to the serum, the serum is even more impactful because your channels are open at that time.
Speaker B:Can you just briefly describe, like, how do you actually do this?
Speaker B:And you roll the area with the derma roller and then you put the serum on.
Speaker B:Do you, like, massage it in how long?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like what?
Speaker B:What does it look like?
Speaker A:Sure, it.
Speaker A:And also we have a hairbrush.
Speaker A:I'll come back to that.
Speaker A:But the way you do, the way you use the system is you.
Speaker A:You take the supplements with meals twice a day, two supplements twice a day with meals.
Speaker A:And then in the evening, you brush your hair three to 100 to 200 times.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or as much as you can go.
Speaker A:Bonus points if you can go more.
Speaker A:And only the scalp.
Speaker A:You should be firm on your scalp.
Speaker A:I recommend being firm on the scalp, but soft on the hair.
Speaker A:Okay, so why do we need to be a little bit firm on the scalp?
Speaker A:Because it promotes a lot of circulation.
Speaker A:It gets rid of your dead skin cells.
Speaker A:So it allows your scalp to breathe.
Speaker A:It gets rid of the sebum.
Speaker A:It transfer the serum sebum to your scalp, which makes your hair shinier.
Speaker A:So it's really helpful.
Speaker A:A lot of people don't want touch their scalp or their hair when they're losing hair, but this is not the right approach.
Speaker A:I was in the same boat.
Speaker A:I didn't want to touch my hair for days and days.
Speaker A:But the more you touch your scalp, the more you massage it, it just triggers a lot of genes.
Speaker A:Jeans turn on.
Speaker A:Healing genes turn on.
Speaker A:Just like you massage your face and put, you know, nice lotions on it.
Speaker A:You also want to massage your scalp, but the hairbrush will do it because it's made of bamboo.
Speaker A:I wish I was holding it, but it's made of bamboo.
Speaker A:It's natural material.
Speaker A:And so you can really brush 100, 200 times.
Speaker A:And then after you have activated your scalp and there's more blood flow in, then you can apply the serum every night.
Speaker A:And the serum is very lightweight.
Speaker B:It's not oily every night before you go to bed.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not oily.
Speaker A:So when you apply it, it gets absorbed by the time you wake up in the morning.
Speaker A:I have two days of serum in my hair, and it's pretty dry.
Speaker B:That's why I was going to ask you, because I have really oily hair.
Speaker B:My issue is I actually get more like excess sebum production.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that's the sign that I have is just oily hair.
Speaker B:And so I'm always afraid to put products in my hair because.
Speaker A:Fair enough.
Speaker B:I want to have to wash my hair every other day.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So it doesn't leave any type of greasiness or residue.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For two to three days, you're going to be absolutely fine.
Speaker A:But after like maybe three or four days, you might need to wash. Also, for anybody that's losing their hair, I recommend at least washing your scalp twice a week because you want to be squeaky clean to make sure it's a good scalp environment to grow more hairs now.
Speaker A:Or she.
Speaker A:If you are already oily, then we'll have to try to see how it works with your hair because you don't want to weigh it down, you don't want to wash it every single day as well.
Speaker A:So we'll have to see how it works.
Speaker A:But for most women that use our products, they're able to use it every single day.
Speaker A:And maybe they can.
Speaker A:On the day that they shampoo their hair or they wash their hair, they applied in the morning and then they wash their hair.
Speaker A:So that evening they don't have to apply the serum, but they applied the following evening.
Speaker B:Is the derma roller something you do every.
Speaker B:Every night before you put on your.
Speaker A:Serum or one to two times a week is what we recommend for the Derma roller.
Speaker A:Because you.
Speaker A:Your skin needs time to heal as well.
Speaker A:So if you're starting off, just do it once a week.
Speaker A:But we're seeing that if when women do it two times a week, surprisingly they get even better results.
Speaker A:So it is what it is.
Speaker A:But at a minimum, I would recommend doing it once a week.
Speaker B:Do you do the derma roller just where you're like if.
Speaker B:Let's just say you're only losing hair on the top or on the sides here, do you just do it there?
Speaker B:Or you still have to do your whole scalp?
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Just do it in the thinning area areas and in any areas that you want to even prevent thinning.
Speaker A:So maybe thinning adjacent areas as well.
Speaker A:But you don't have to do your entire scalp.
Speaker A:Like, derma rolling is quite good because it helps remodel the collagen and the elastin.
Speaker A:And when hair kind of, in some cases, there is scar tissue that builds up as you lose hair because of different factors.
Speaker A:And that can remodel the scar back to normal levels.
Speaker A:The reason they found derma rolling to be effective is, is they started using it on scars.
Speaker A:And when you get a scar from a burn or something else, typically your hair doesn't grow in areas of the scar.
Speaker A:But when they started derma rolling, they noticed that hair were coming back in those areas.
Speaker A:And so they started using derma rolling on the scalp.
Speaker A:And lo and behold, they found that it's actually quite effective to regrow hair as well.
Speaker A:And so that's why we included that in our program, and we believe that it really helps.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:It's so cool that you guys, guys came up with such a comprehensive system.
Speaker B:So when women start using that, how long does it take to start seeing thicker hair?
Speaker A:You'll see less shedding.
Speaker A:Within four weeks, three to four weeks, you'll see noticeably less shedding.
Speaker A:In about two months, your hair is going to feel thicker, fuller, and healthier.
Speaker A:So when you run your hands through it, you start to feel a little bit more weight, a little bit more fullness.
Speaker A:And then within three months, within 90 days, you should see new baby hairs popping up.
Speaker A:If you follow the program, you'll see new baby hairs popping up along your hairlines.
Speaker A:And that's where it's easiest to see, because you can just pull your hair back and look in the mirror and say, oh, yeah, I'm seeing new baby hairs.
Speaker A:And that's the day when I started noticing a lot of baby hairs from myself.
Speaker A:I just started smiling for no reason.
Speaker A:Just walking around, smiling, looking at the mirror, smiling.
Speaker A:Because I had almost resigned myself that my hair is just going to be bad or it's going to be gone at some point.
Speaker B:Okay, I have one more question.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:You may never get this question from other people.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But as we age, we also, for women, we notice a texture change in our hair.
Speaker B:So for me, for example, I got very curly and frizzy hair as I was getting older Before I had more smoother hair shaft.
Speaker B:And as I got older, it just breaks more easily, and it became very frizzy and curly, too, which is so weird.
Speaker B:I used to have almost totally straight hair.
Speaker B:Can you improve the hair texture itself?
Speaker A:I think one of the things there.
Speaker A:So what happens is that there's different types of hair types, right?
Speaker A:There's Caucasian hair, which is kind of straight, a little bit curly.
Speaker A:There's Asian hair, which is very straight.
Speaker A:And then there's Afro hair, which is very, very curly, coily, even kinky.
Speaker A:And so what happens over time is that a lot of this has to do with moisture.
Speaker A:So with a straight hair, it's very easy to get the moisture down to the root.
Speaker A:With curly hair, like Caucasian or Hispanic, it's a little bit harder, but your moisture can go down.
Speaker A:For black ladies, it's very, very hard to get any moisture in their scalp because the hair is twirled up in that way.
Speaker A:And so as you're.
Speaker A:As you get older and your hair starts to get drier, there's less oil in your body, your hair starts to curl even more.
Speaker A:And so that's one of the theories is that if you were to take more healthy fats in your diet, if you were to use more omega 3s in your diet, and some nutrients like vitamin Bs are important for this, and of course, extra collagen and protein, with a combination of those four, but especially healthy fats, you will start to see more shine and less twirl in your hair.
Speaker B:And is your product system work for all types of hair?
Speaker B:You mentioned Caucasian hair versus Asian hair.
Speaker B:Does it matter your ethnicity?
Speaker A:We're going to the hair follicle level.
Speaker A:We are not so interested in your hair texture or your hair type, but more about how to get the follicles to grow more hair, how to wake up the follicles that have been dormant, that have been sleeping.
Speaker A:And so that's why we're operating under the hair level, to generate more hair.
Speaker A:So it works for all types of hairs.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Before you run out of time, I really want to talk about gray hair.
Speaker B:What is the cause of gray hair?
Speaker B:Why do we go gray?
Speaker B:Why some people go gray really young versus the normal time as we age.
Speaker A:So I can address those separately.
Speaker A:But some of the.
Speaker A:Some of the main reasons for gray hairs, they're separate from hair loss.
Speaker A:The main reason for gray hair is higher levels of hydrogen peroxide in your cells, in your scalp cells.
Speaker A:So how do we get hydrogen peroxide?
Speaker A:It's made by our own bodies.
Speaker A:When your mitochondria produce energy, that byproduct of that is hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker A:And so your body has antioxidant enzymes and superoxide dismutases that get rid of this hydrogen peroxide and convert it into oxygen and water, which is harmless.
Speaker A:But as we get older, we have less antioxidants, and so we don't convert that as well so that this hydrogen peroxide sits in your cells, and it effectively damages the mitochondria that's producing the energy and producing it.
Speaker A:And so it's a weird relationship.
Speaker A:They're damaging the same factory that produced it.
Speaker A:When that happens, then your hair loses the ability to function properly.
Speaker A:And so your cells are not working as well.
Speaker A:And so one of the byproducts of that is that you start to lose pigment.
Speaker A:Now, there's other reasons, but this is the first and most important reason.
Speaker A:The other reason is that your stem cell niche for your melanocyte stem cell, they start to just run out of stem cells.
Speaker A:And so what happens is you have melanocyte stem cells sitting in a separate bulge from hair growth stem cells.
Speaker A:And every time a hair cycle starts again.
Speaker A:So when you lose your hair and starts again, then both these types of stem cells go into the hair bulb and they convert into melanocytes.
Speaker A:So in this case, the stem cell converts into a melanocyte, which produces pigment that sits right where your hair is being generated.
Speaker A:So that stem cell starts to run out over time.
Speaker A:And these stem cells run out earlier than most other stem cells in our body for reasons we don't know why.
Speaker A:That's why most people go gray in their 30s, 40s, and 50s.
Speaker A:Thirdly, there's higher homocysteine levels can cause high levels of gray hairs, high stress levels can cause high levels of gray hair.
Speaker A:So there's multiple reasons that again, you, you can get grays.
Speaker A:And so the, the way to address gray hair is to go after all these pathways at once.
Speaker A:Because we haven't solved the gray hair problem.
Speaker A:It's, it's a big problem right now.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And so we don't have any crazy therapies from a small molecule or drug that can reverse grays.
Speaker A:There have been some instances where anti inflammatory drug was able to reverse some grays.
Speaker A:And that's why we have anti inflammatory products or ingredients in our supplements to make sure we're addressing that pathway as well.
Speaker A:But there's four to five pathways that are the main reasons for gray hairs.
Speaker A:The other question you asked is why do some people go gray early?
Speaker A:The reasons why some people go gray early is because they might have chronic health conditions that are impacting it.
Speaker A:You might be a smoker, a heavy drinker, you might have environmental pollution in your environment.
Speaker A:You might be using very bad products on your skin, scalp that can all cause high levels of oxidative stress, which can all cause high levels of again, hydrogen peroxide, and it can make your hairs grayer much sooner.
Speaker A:Also, interestingly, this is, this is interesting anecdotes.
Speaker A:If you have a higher degree, higher education, then you tend to go gray earlier.
Speaker A:If you are taller than average.
Speaker A:You tend to go gray earlier as well.
Speaker B:My theory on the higher education is.
Speaker B:So you probably have a higher stress job.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:The stress is a double whammy.
Speaker B:You both.
Speaker B:Both lose your hair and go gray.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think that's like the ultimate terrible thing for your hair.
Speaker B:So you mentioned hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker B:Just a kind of side.
Speaker B:A lot of women color their hair.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Whether it's darker or bleaching.
Speaker B:How does that affect both hair thinning and potentially.
Speaker B:Yeah, graying.
Speaker A:I would be very, very careful using hydrogen peroxide on your scalp because ultimately it will damage your hair cells.
Speaker A:It's oxidative stress.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That's what the chemical does.
Speaker A:It's not helpful to the human body.
Speaker A:And so when you're bleaching or coloring or dyeing, just be very, very careful using it.
Speaker A:Make sure it doesn't touch your scalp.
Speaker A:It can touch your hair because your hair is dead, but the moment it touches your scalp, it can cause damage.
Speaker A:And we don't want to cause any damage to the scalp because what does that mean?
Speaker A:Damage means faster aging.
Speaker A:Faster aging means more grays.
Speaker A:Faster aging means, you know, more hair loss.
Speaker A:So we're paradoxically hurrying up the process that we're trying to avoid when using hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker A:So what are some alternatives?
Speaker A:You could use natural dyes like henna.
Speaker A:I know there's a way to mix henna with a certain compound to get the color that you exactly want.
Speaker A:So I haven't done that yet.
Speaker A:Maybe I will when I start to go more gray.
Speaker A:But I would recommend using natural dyes as much as possible and not relying on hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker B:The problem with henna, it doesn't cover gray.
Speaker B:Hardly at all.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, it just kind of tints the hair, but it just makes it a tiny bit like tinted color, but it's not really covering it.
Speaker B:So that's why a lot of women go to hair color.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Because they're trying to cover up their gray hairs.
Speaker B:It's a double whammy because you are putting on your scalp because you want to get it to your roots.
Speaker B:It's really.
Speaker B:Unless you're just doing highlights, it's almost impossible.
Speaker B:But one of the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:When you know, one of the biggest toxin load for women is personal care products, beauty products, and one of the most toxic things are hair colors.
Speaker B:And I think women don't realize the ingredient list is just so incredibly bad.
Speaker B:And you putting it on your scalp and then it sits on it for an hour or 45 minutes on your scalp and gets directly absorbed into your skin.
Speaker B:And it's so tough because I spent so many years researching trying to find a really good hair color that was still as natural as possible but actually did color your hair.
Speaker B:And it's very hard to find something.
Speaker B:The one I'm using now is the best that I could find.
Speaker B:But I have to say that it's, it's such a tough trade off because it is so aging when you have so much gray hair.
Speaker B:And until we get your system in place and start reversing those effects, I want to do something about it.
Speaker A:Gray hair is very tough.
Speaker A:It's very tough.
Speaker A:So if you are less than 30%, less than 25% grays, you will see significant benefits from our profits product.
Speaker A:But if you're 50 or over, then it's probably not the right system for you.
Speaker A:For the anti gray, can you use.
Speaker B:It if you do have colored hair?
Speaker B:Like can you use your system still?
Speaker A:It's color safe.
Speaker B:Putting in.
Speaker B:Do you have something you put on your scalp or is it more just a supplement?
Speaker A:Both, both.
Speaker A:So again, inside and outside we want to target the root causes where they happen.
Speaker A:So they happen on the scalp or near the scalp.
Speaker A:So we want to target that with the serum.
Speaker A:But also we want the supplement to kind of address all the internal things that could go wrong, including high stress levels, homocysteine levels, the vitamins and minerals that you might need, the B vitamins that are important for hair, the stress reduction elements like ashwagandha and L theanine.
Speaker A:So we've got a lot of those internally to help balance your body from within.
Speaker A:But also address it on the scalp.
Speaker B:And then on the scalp, what do you put?
Speaker B:Is that a different serum or.
Speaker A:It's a different serum.
Speaker A:It's called the Anti Gray serum from Fully Vital.
Speaker A:That's the company Fully Vital.
Speaker A:So if you're interested in any of these products, just go to fully vital.com we've or she.
Speaker A:We have a special code for or she.
Speaker A:It's or she 15.
Speaker A:And make sure to get if you're going to do this, then just get the three month bundle.
Speaker A:That way you have all the supplies you need to see results.
Speaker A:A lot of companies in the space will give you a 30 day guarantee.
Speaker A:We give you 120 days, a four month money back guarantee because we want you to get results as opposed to order the product.
Speaker A:It takes seven days to come and then you have 23 days to see if you're getting a result or not.
Speaker A:And that's not fair.
Speaker A:So it's risk free.
Speaker A:Get the 3 month bundle and make sure to just be consistent.
Speaker A:That's all we ask for us.
Speaker B:What if somebody has both hair thinning and gritting and they want at the same time?
Speaker B:Is that something you can do at the same time?
Speaker A:Excellent question.
Speaker A:You can many for customers use both.
Speaker A:I would just say if you're not doing anything to your hair at the moment, start with one because consistency is the most important aspect.
Speaker A:And if you start with both and then after 10 days you go, oh this is too much, I can't and then you give up, it doesn't help anybody.
Speaker A:So let's start with one.
Speaker A:Do that for three months.
Speaker A:Once you start, once you get confidence that your hair is getting thicker, full cooler, new hairs are growing in, then we can start to add on the anti grace.
Speaker B:Can you use this on your eyebrows or other parts of your body?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So we have on the anti gray serum, we have people using it on eyebrows, on their beards, even in their pubic areas.
Speaker A:And some people are using it on their chest.
Speaker A:So yeah, it works.
Speaker A:I think the key thing that I want everybody to take from this conversation is that for women hair loss is multifactorial.
Speaker A:There's a lot of things that are happening at the same time.
Speaker A:So instead of, instead of trying one supplement or one serum and then you know, saying it didn't work after two months, which we all have been through that focus on getting a full system that addresses all the root causes, all the major root causes.
Speaker A:Get some testing done as well at the same time to make sure you don't have other things going on.
Speaker A:And then after you buy our products, we would send you an email with all the additional reasons why we see hair thinning.
Speaker A:So that would be medications, that would be other reasons that you can start to piece by piece, one by one, buy one, get off your list, check them off.
Speaker A:And so that way we are partners with you in helping you get the results that you want.
Speaker A:So get the full System, you get 15% off at or she and just be consistent.
Speaker A:That is all I say.
Speaker B:I love the advice of taking it one at a time because I'm one of those people that like to do everything all at once and I end up with like 100 different supplements.
Speaker B:So yes, I totally say just start with one, attack it.
Speaker B:After three months, maybe you can start integrating the other system.
Speaker B:Far as just to wrap up this conversation, you've been in the longevity anti aging space for a really long time.
Speaker B:If you just had three tips that are more applicable for Women, what would be the top three things women can do to age backwards?
Speaker A:I think that the number one thing that all of us can do, but especially women entering perimenopause and menopause, is to sleep.
Speaker A:And it's, it's easier said than done because your hormones are wreaking havoc on your body and you're waking up at night.
Speaker A:So I understand.
Speaker A:But as much as you can do to optimize your sleep, sleep and just wake up refreshed every single day, everything else will get balanced from there, including your hormones, including your weight management efforts.
Speaker A:So that's number one.
Speaker A:Number two, what I would say is that you have to move and you have to exercise every single day.
Speaker A:If there was one pill that doctors could create, that would be a trillion dollar pill, it would be the exercise pill.
Speaker A:So make sure you're moving and doing the exercise because that's very, very important.
Speaker A:And then thirdly, just make sure you're eating good foods and you're replete.
Speaker A:Your body is not over indexing or has too much, much overload of certain minerals or vitamins and too little of others like vitamin D and magnesium, for example.
Speaker A:I think these are the three.
Speaker A:Just again, once the basics are out of in place, then you can do the hormones, then you can do exosomes, PRP stem cells, then you can really start to age backwards.
Speaker A:But if you get $20,000 worth of stem cell injections and your sleep is bad, guess what?
Speaker A:It's not really going to help very much.
Speaker A:Those are my three tips.
Speaker A:They're very basic, but those are the.
Speaker B:Most important, amazing advice I always reiterate, like start with the foundational health interventions because unless you have that in place, none of these other biohacks will really be that effective.
Speaker B:So thank you so much for this conversation.
Speaker B:I learned so much about hair today.
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